There has been some discussion as to what the name of the NX-02 might be.

I figured lets get some more names out there.

You already know my vote goes to the USS Excalibur.

What are some proud ship names we have seen in history and Star Trek that might be fitting for the NX-02?

Perhaps the USS Cochrane or the USS Hood, USS Yorktown, USS Armstrong, USS Kennedy, USS Phoenix maybe.

On a side note. Do you think that the envolvement of the Enterprise-E during Cochranes first warp flight, might have had something to do with the naming of the NX-01? Just wondering.

I should add the USS Archer.

I don't think NX-02 will be named the USS Archer anytime soon.

If you recall, Archer himself recorded in a captains log that only after "several months of debate" did Starfleet allow the NX-02 into the Delphic Expanse. This ship will not be celebrated as the USS Archer.

NX-02 Columbia

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 25 2003, 04:50 PM)

On a side note. Do you think that the envolvement of the Enterprise-E during Cochranes first warp flight, might have had something to do with the naming of the NX-01? Just wondering.

I forget--did they tell Cochrane that they were from the Ent?

USS Roswell??

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 25 2003, 06:11 PM)

I don't think NX-02 will be named the USS Archer anytime soon. If you recall, Archer himself recorded in a captains log that only after "several months of debate" did Starfleet allow the NX-02 into the Delphic Expanse. This ship will not be celebrated as the USS Archer.

USS Archer was in reference to Henry Archer, the man behind the warp 5 engine, and getting the NX class ships off the ground.

QUOTE (Ster J @ May 25 2003, 06:46 PM)

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 25 2003, 04:50 PM) On a side note. Do you think that the envolvement of the Enterprise-E during Cochranes first warp flight, might have had something to do with the naming of the NX-01? Just wondering. I forget--did they tell Cochrane that they were from the Ent?

I don't rightly remember if the name was used or not, but Lilly was on board. She was on the bridge and in the observation longe long enough to have looked around at the name Enterprise all over the place, wheather on the displays, or the plaque, or the Enterprise history display case.

why not USS T'Pol, after all, she went againist her superiors at the High Command.

O.K., so I'm out on this thread.

I don't understand the point of guessing what the writers will eventually name the NX-02.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 25 2003, 08:05 PM)

O.K., so I'm out on this thread. I don't understand the point of guessing what the writers will eventually name the NX-02.

There is no point. It's just fun for some people. I don't see the point in you posting that you don't see the point in posting.

I agree with Darth, NX-02 Columbia

NX-02 Columbia? It's starting to grow on me.

Did you know that the USA didn't have a national anthem until the last century? The unofficial one was "Columbia! The Gem of the Ocean". "The Star Spangled Banner" was Francis Scott Key's poem put to the tune of a drinking song (A drinking song, you know, like "99 bottles of beer on the wall"!)!!!!!!

The reason I brought this up is because, although the Russians were the first in space, I haven't seen any on the Enterprise or anywhere else. That's why I said earlier that the name would reflect something American. NX-02 Columbia fits that bill.

Of course, it might be the Tereskhova (first woman in space)!

Russian? NX-02 Tereskhova has a nice sound to it. Much better than NX-02 Stalin

And doesn't the X in NX stand for experimental? I don't think the second in the class is an experiment.

QUOTE (duffbeer77 @ May 25 2003, 09:27 PM)

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 25 2003, 08:05 PM) O.K., so I'm out on this thread. I don't understand the point of guessing what the writers will eventually  name the NX-02. There is no point. It's just fun for some people. I don't see the point in you posting that you don't see the point in posting. I agree with Darth, NX-02 Columbia

You got me. There is no point.

NX-02 Columbia has my vote!

I would like to see a battle cruiser named the USS Pogue Mahon. It's irish gaelic.

Let ya'll guess what it means.

Bet nobody does.

I'll give ya a hint. It wa the original name of the group The Pogues until some older people complained that it was too rude. But it's got attitude!

Yes. I believe it is VERY rude.

I typed up a program for our church. Misspelled Cardinal Mahoney's name (I forgot the E). He was not only offended, he was VERY offended (Can you say that a Cardinal was p!ssed?)

Uh, yeah, you guys lost me

Quote (Ster J @ May 25 2003, 10:10 pm)

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I typed up a program for our church. Misspelled Cardinal Mahoney's name (I forgot the E). He was not only offended, he was VERY offended (Can you say that a Cardinal was p!ssed?)

* wipes tears from eyes and runs to bathroom*

Hey Duff don't want to lose you.

It's the irish gaelic version of Scotty's "up yer shaft" (to the computer, of course.)

QUOTE (duffbeer77 @ May 25 2003, 08:47 PM)

And doesn't the X in NX stand for experimental? I don't think the second in the class is an experiment.

That's what I thought. Usually the Class is named after the first in the line, so that the next ship should be in the Enterprise class, but some here have told me that this class of ship will be the NX class. I'm confussed

Admiral Forrest described the ship under construction as the NX-02. They might change that, but for now it is also a NX ship the same as the Enterprise.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 25 2003, 08:05 PM)

O.K., so I'm out on this thread. I don't understand the point of guessing what the writers will eventually  name the NX-02.

Sorry WaitingforGodot. I don't me to put you down or anything, but guessing what they might name the ship has the same point as guessing who might play the comando, or what they might find in the Expanse, or wheather or not they'll change the theme song, or anything else that has to do with the show.

Simply put, its why we are here on this board. To discuss a shared interest. To find out what others who share that interest think, and to share our insights and interpritations with each other.

Maybe we should be spending our time buiding world peace, or the next generation in engines that will take us to Jupiter and back, but for now I'm content coming here to share a love for Enterprise with the rest of you.

I always thought the class of ships was named after the first one to be constructed too. Wasn't there a USS Galaxy on an early TNG episode?

I think so, and the Excelsior class was named after the Excelsior. The Defiant class after the Defiant, which also had a NX regerstry.

So if it followed form, the ship under construction, should be in the Enterprise class, not the NX class.

The only reason I can think of why it's called the NX-class--other than because of Berman & Braga--is because the NX designation doesn't mean "Naval eXperiment" (or whatever). It may simply be a lettered code for all the ships of the NX-Program (like the prototypes NX-Alpha, NX-Beta, and NX-Delta were).

Believe it or not, there is a precedent for pre-TOS ships to have lettered ship classes:

The S.S. Botany Bay was a DY-100 spaceship.
The Koyashi Maru was a J-Class III neutronic fuel carrier.

Perhaps ship classes won't be named after their prototypes until after Starfleet is incorporated into the Federation...

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 26 2003, 01:06 AM)

Maybe we should be spending our time buiding world peace, or the next generation in engines that will take us to Jupiter and back, but for now I'm content coming here to share a love for Enterprise with the rest of you...

That's a real good point. Sorry about that Excalibur.

I guess I don't have a frame of reference so I don't feel comfortable doing it.

Are ships named after their captains? I didn't think so. Are they named after current events? Are they named after whatever the ship is intended for?

If so, I'll name it the USS Delphic.

QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 26 2003, 03:42 AM)

Perhaps ship classes won't be named after their prototypes until after Starfleet is incorporated into the Federation...

Ok, there we go.

I had no clue what the parameters were in the naming of a Starfleet ship.

I mean, how do they name war ships? (earth/now). After ever state in the union? This would be nice to know.

Why is the NX-02 experimental? I could understand the NX-01 being designated as such but the NX-02? The O-2 is definitely launched for a purpose. Not some vague wishy-washy reason. It's even been refitted.

That's why the more I thought about it, I would call it the USS Delphic. I think that captures its' essence and supposedly the ship will be 'put through the ringer' next seasoon.

One more question before I go to work. What is the difference between Starfleet and the Federation? Is it comparable to the US Army and West Point?

I've ameneded my initial opinion. This is a cool thread.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 26 2003, 05:10 AM)

What is the difference between Starfleet and the Federation? Is it comparable to the US Army and West Point?

The United Federation of Planets is an interplanetary government formed between Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and other worlds along the border of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Based on the principle of total trust and cooperation between its member worlds, the Federation Constitution prohibits any social discrimination among its citizens and is very selective about the worlds who apply for membership. Entrance into the Federation is by accepted invitation only--no planet is ever forced to join.

By the 24th-Century, the Federation spans over 8,000 cubic light-years in an irregular shape that twists around the adjacent Klingon and Romulan Empires in the Beta Quadrant, and the Cardassian Union and Tholian Assembly in the Alpha Quadrant (the bulk of Federation space is in the Alpha Quadrant, however). There are over 150 member worlds in the Federation, but over 7000 affiliated worlds within its territory. The Federation Council--located in San Francisco, Earth--is the main governing body of the organization, with the Offices of the Federation President located in Paris, Earth.


Starfleet Command is the multipurpose deep-space operations agency of the United Federation of Planets. Originally an Earth-based organization (as seen in ENT), Starfleet was incorporated into the Federation upon its formation and is charged with a wide variety of duties from deep-space exploration, to scientific research, logistical support, diplomatic missions, first contact with new life-forms, routine civil and domestic operations, and Federation defense. Starfleet's organizational structure is based loosely off of the ocean-going navies of old Earth and still maintains a number of naval traditions and nomenclature. Starfleet tactical policy is based on the idea that force is an option of ultimate last resort--when all other diplomatic means have failed.

There are two primary ways of getting into Starfleet. For those aspiring to become commissioned officers, there is the extremely academically and physically demanding four-year program at Starfleet Academy in San Francisco, Earth. For enlisted personnel, there are numerous 6-to-12 week basic and advanced training centers located on various worlds across the Federation, including Earth.


In ENT, there doesn't appear to be a Starfleet Academy yet--Tucker once referred to "Starfleet Training" which is probably similar to "NASA Training" or "astronaut training."

QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 26 2003, 02:42 AM)

Perhaps ship classes won't be named after their prototypes until after Starfleet is incorporated into the Federation...

But even today a class of ship is named after the first one in the class. There is the Nimitz class carriers, eight operational and two under construction.

USS Nimitz (CVN 68), San Diego, Calif.
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Newport News, Va.
USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Bremerton, Wash.
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Norfolk, Va.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), Everett, Wash.
USS George Washington (CVN 73), Norfolk, Va.
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), San Diego, Calif.
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Norfolk, Va.
Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) (under construction)
George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (under construction)

Every class of naval ship I have found so far was named after the first ship in that line. So if Starfleet follows the fleet tradition, the NX-01 should be the first in the Enterprise class.

I thought I'd throw this in too. Seems the CVN-65 USS Enterprise is in a class all her own.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-65.htm

WOW, Darth Ravage!

I bow humbly to your wisdom, insight, and knowledge.

That's the best, most succinct yet complete explanation of the UFP and Starfleet that I have EVER heard. You are either:
1--a Huge fan;
2--in possesion of a GREAT book of Trek lore;
3--an employee of Paramount.

Probably #s 2&3. Am I close?

QUOTE (Ster J @ May 26 2003, 01:23 PM)

You are either: 1--a Huge fan; 2--in possesion of a GREAT book of Trek lore; 3--an employee of Paramount. Probably #s 2&3.  Am I close?

1. Yes.

2. I have a few starship technical manuals, but a lot comes from memory of passing comments in various Trek episodes and some deductive reasoning.

3. I wish!

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 26 2003, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 26 2003, 02:42 AM) Perhaps ship classes won't be named after their prototypes until after Starfleet is incorporated into the Federation... But even today a class of ship is named after the first one in the class... ...Every class of naval ship I have found so far was named after the first ship in that line. So if Starfleet follows the fleet tradition, the NX-01 should be the first in the Enterprise class.

Thanks for the listing of Nimitz-class carriers, Excalibur. I was thinking there weren't any more being constructed since they were first introduced in the '70s...

I agree that traditionally a ship class should be named after the prototype. But apparently Berman & Braga are thinking of NX-01 more along the lines of today's spacecraft rather than a military vessel.

Technically, all the U.S. space shuttles should be Enterprise-class orbiters (after the prototype), but they are referred to as OVA-class instead.

And "First Flight" did refer to the NX-Program, so its possible that these ships are named after their mission program such as the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo spacecrafts were.

I totally agree with SterJ. Darth, you provide alot of knowledge and insight into the ST universe. Thanks.

Sometimes I'm an a** on this board 'cause I got this little voice inside my head that says: Don't be a ST NERD. You know, the kind you read about who have acne and wear their starfleet uniforms to work.

I gotta just let it go.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 26 2003, 03:28 PM)

Sometimes I'm an a** on this board 'cause I got this little voice inside my head that says: Don't be a ST NERD. You know, the kind you read about who have acne and wear their starfleet uniforms to work. I gotta just let it go.

Thanks for the kind words, WaitingforGodot...

To me, if ya know when you're about to cross that line from being a fan to being an obsessed fan, then you're probably all right...

There are far, far worse things in the world to be than a Trek fan.

I wore a Trek combadge pin on my jacket for years, but that was as far as it went. You'd be surprised just how many people recognize a Starfleet insignia and will start a friendly conversation with you...

...anyone else you simply zap with your phaser...

- Rodenberry
- Cochrane
- Sequoia

Welcome NX-01.

What about the USS Porthos

Just kidding.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 26 2003, 01:28 PM)

I totally agree with SterJ. Darth, you provide alot of knowledge and insight into the ST universe. Thanks. Sometimes I'm an a** on this board 'cause I got this little voice inside my head that says: Don't be a ST NERD. You know, the kind you read about who have acne and wear their starfleet uniforms to work. I gotta just let it go.

I am a Star Trek-want-to-be-nerd

Thats why I love this site, I can learn stuff and I don't have to be afraid that I'll be put down for being ignorant

And I always have a blast!

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 26 2003, 06:16 PM)

Welcome NX-01. What about the USS Porthos Just kidding.

Thanx

Welcome to the board NX-01. I just noticed you were here.

QUOTE (WaitingforGodot @ May 26 2003, 07:01 PM)

Welcome to the board NX-01. I just noticed you were here.

Thankyou too.

QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 26 2003, 04:56 AM)

There are two primary ways of getting into Starfleet. For those aspiring to become commissioned officers, there is the extremely academically and physically demanding four-year program at Starfleet Academy in San Francisco, Earth. For enlisted personnel, there are numerous 6-to-12 week basic and advanced training centers located on various worlds across the Federation, including Earth.

Where'd you find that about the basic training? I've always been curious about that since there's hardly ever a word spoken about the enlisted people.

Darth, I guess you're the guy to ask, does every single officer go to Starfleet Academy or are there ROTC programs at different universities?

All synonyms of Enterprise.
- Crusader
- Endeavor
- Reliance
- Venture
- Gallant
- Endurance
- Zeal
- Cavalcade
- Entrada
- Probe
- Escapade
- Conquest
- Triumph
- Victory
- Chimera
- Diligence
- Chase
-

USS Reliant works. Good name with some Star Trek history of it's own.

QUOTE (duffbeer77 @ May 26 2003, 07:30 PM)

Where'd you find that about the basic training? I've always been curious about that since there's hardly ever a word spoken about the enlisted people.

In the TNG episode "The Drumhead," Crewman First Class Tarses admitted he went though the Starfleet enlisted program to get into space quickly rather than spend years of study at the Academy.

I think one of the problems is that there's very little to distinguish officers and enlisted from each other in Trek--they both wear the same uniforms. Typically, enlisted personnel are simply named crewmen to differentiate them from commissioned officers. The only time officers and enlisted wore different uniforms was during the movies Star Trek II-VI.

In TOS, all of the ship's yeomen--such as Yeoman Rand--were all enlisted personnel. Transporter Chief Kyle was also an enlisted man as well.

In TNG & DS9, Chief O'Brien was an enlisted man (it took a while, but they finally designated him a Chief Petty Officer--which is equal to a Sergeant First Class in the U.S. Army or a Master Sergeant in the U.S. Marines). Even so, O'Brien was also considered a non-commissioned officer--more on that later.


As far as other means of getting into Starfleet, there hasn't been mention of an Starfleet ROTC, but there are indirect means of getting into Starfleet. Certain individuals with unique or advanced technical skills in either engineering, science, or medical can become Starfleet specialists. It is assumed that these specialists had training outside of Starfleet, but their skills are still highly sought after by Starfleet. Such specialists don't have a rank, per se, but they can be looked at as the top authority in their individual field.

It's also possible for enlisted personnel to become officers--either because of their skills or during wartime emergencies. Chief O'Brien was once offered an officer's commission, but turned it down because he was happy where he was. There may be a Starfleet Officer Candidate School--it hasn't been directly admitted on screen, but there appears to be some program in place where senior enlisted can undergo a crash course at the Academy and get an officer's commission in a matter of weeks or months.

Non-commissioned officers are senior enlisted personnel with sufficient technical or administrative training that their authority over their field is recognized by commissioned officers. In DS9, O'Brien was Chief of Operations of the station. While he had to say "sir" to younger guys like Bashir--and ultimately Nog--he was the top guy in all things concerning station operations and was considered part of the senior staff, reporting only to the commanding officer.

My vote goes to Columbia. I think to name a ship after Tpol would be not be right at this time. She has shown great courage to give up her command to follow archer, but she is still to young in her career. It is more appropriate to name a ship after someone who has come to the end of their career and has many more accomplishments under their belt. Other suggestions, how about the NX-Evloner. Has a nice ring to it, don't ya think.

Does anybody think the USS Delphic is a possibility. My idea. I think its great.

*cough* *cough* USS Excalibur *cough*

QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 26 2003, 07:20 PM)

In TNG & DS9, Chief O'Brien was an enlisted man (it took a while, but they finally designated him a Chief Petty Officer--which is equal to a Sergeant First Class in the U.S. Army or a Master Sergeant in the U.S. Marines). Even so, O'Brien was also considered a non-commissioned officer--more on that later.

If I remember correctly O'Brien actually started out as an Ensign on TNG. I used to get confused when seeing different stages of O'Brien's career.

They messed around with several different rank pips for him too before they finally settled on a new type pin for his rank.

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 26 2003, 08:33 PM)

*cough* *cough* USS Excalibur *cough*

If you vote for the USS-Evloner I'd vote for the USS Excalibur...Wink...Wink...

QUOTE (evloner @ May 26 2003, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 26 2003, 08:33 PM) *cough* *cough* USS Excalibur *cough*                 If you vote for the USS-Evloner I'd vote for the USS Excalibur...Wink...Wink...

LOL!

I'll stick to my vote. Come over to the dark side.

OK! If I can't get any more votes for USS Excalibur, I suppose I could change my vote to USS Columbia.

Not only would it be a fitting tribute, the first "experimental" or prototype US orbiter was the Enterprise OV-101, and the second was the Columbia OV-102.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resour...s/orbiters.html

I realize I don't have to say it, but check out the background on the Enterprise.

I guess I'm a nerd 3rd class, I've got a NX-01 pin stuck in my employee ID badge. Those that watch the show do a double take in the halls. Unfortunately, I've yet to have a student recognize it.

I'll throw good old U.S.S. Saratoga into the mix for NX-02.