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 Coincidence?, ....... I think not.

C'pok
post Mar 5 2004, 05:15 PM
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Last night I had a revelation, at least I think that was what it was. Just the other day on another thread we were discussing TNG episode "A Matter Of Time" with Matt Frewer pretending to be Professor Berlinghoff Rasmussen, a time travel historian from the 26th century. Rasmussen actually being from the 22nd century. I have discovered four coincidences that really add up to something quite fascinating.


1. Rasmussen is from the 22nd century
... Enterprise is set in the 22nd century

2. The time travel historian was from the 26th century
... The TDA are being fought in the 26th century and Daniels
... brought Archer to the 26th century aboard the Enterprise-J.

3. TNG episode "A Matter Of Time" was aired on Spike TV the
... day after "Azati Prime" aired.

4. Rick Berman was/is writer-producer combination on all
... ST series' except for TOS.


This is the tie-in continuity we have been looking for. As the old government conspiracy expert Bert Gummer says "The possibilities for disaster boggle the mind".

Rasmussen was left in the 24th century but did he stay there. The time ship went back to his 22nd century and who knows what became of it. I'm sure that when it didn't return to the 26th century with it's pilot his fellow time travelers went looking for both. Rasmussen had figured out how to work the time ship and who knows how much information he forced out of the 26th century dude before killing him. How did he get the information on where and when to intercept the Enterprise-D. All he had to do was bide his time until he could gather the materials and resources to get back in the game.

I propose that Rasmussen could be an FG. He could be one of Daniels's cohorts. I think he is the wild card. If he did make it back to the 22nd century he would have knowledge of the 24th century which would include all the history on the Enterprise NX-01. Whew, just think what chaos he could bring to the timeline. I further propose that once gaining the knowledge of NX-01 he jumped up 400 years to the 26th century and is either an FG or working with Daniels or is working with an FG or is somehow involved with the TDA.

I believe Rick B. hatched the idea for Enterprise, a prequel from this TNG episode. It makes sense, that is why the whole series is based on the TCW. It was spawned from a time travel adventure.
Also I don't think it is a coincidence that species 8472 and the TDA are so similar. Species 8472 caused a long corridor of anomalies in the Delta quadrant where they invaded our universe and they had to have spent time and resources on how to exist in a non-fluidic space. Sound familiar? That is very similar to the Delphic expanse and the pockets of trans dimensional space that is being created. Slightly different but enough the same to have given RB the idea. Remember he was deep in the production of VOY.


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post Mar 5 2004, 08:41 PM
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Quick! Copyright what you just wrote and sell it to B&B! "Flawlessly logical"! Brilliant deductions! Bravo!


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post Mar 5 2004, 08:51 PM
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Cool theory. But wasn't Rasmussen more of a con man, hustler type than a "I want to take over the Galaxy" type. unsure.gif


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post Mar 5 2004, 09:05 PM
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I had completely forgotten about that episode of TNG. Thanks for the reminder.


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post Mar 6 2004, 10:28 AM
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Wasn't Hitler probably just a normal child at one time?

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

How much more easy could it be to obtain power than to be able to be where things actually happen and take advantage of it with beforehand knowledge?
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post Mar 6 2004, 05:32 PM
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ohmy.gif As I reread the last post, my mind substituted Martha Stewart for Hilter. Reread it--it fits!


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post Mar 6 2004, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (Ster J @ Mar 6 2004, 02:32 PM)
ohmy.gif As I reread the last post, my mind substituted Martha Stewart for Hilter. Reread it--it fits!

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

How appropriate for today.
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post Mar 7 2004, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (Ster J @ Mar 6 2004, 03:32 PM)
ohmy.gif As I reread the last post, my mind substituted Martha Stewart for Hilter. Reread it--it fits!

I like how your mind works laugh.gif


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post Mar 7 2004, 10:26 PM
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Great theory Cpok, but I don't believe Rasmussen left Picards time. He had no access to a time traveling ship once it left and returned to the 22nd century. Also Rasmussen was only after personal gain. He stole future technology, brought it back to the past, and presented it as his own for personal profit. There is not profit and destroying the future federation or destroying your own planet for that matter.

Maybe the tie in will be not Rasmussen, but that other time traveler who appeared on voyager (sorry I can't recall his name.) Eventually he went crazy and tried to destroy voyager, but was thwarted by seven of nine. Once he was caught he was convicted of crimes he was yet to commit. laugh.gif


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post Mar 8 2004, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (evloner @ Mar 7 2004, 10:26 PM)
Great theory Cpok, but I don't believe Rasmussen left Picards time. He had no access to a time traveling ship once it left and returned to the 22nd century. Also Rasmussen was only after personal gain. He stole future technology, brought it back to the past, and presented it as his own for personal profit. There is not profit and destroying the future federation or destroying your own planet for that matter.

Maybe the tie in will be not Rasmussen, but that other time traveler who appeared on voyager (sorry I can't recall his name.) Eventually he went crazy and tried to destroy voyager, but was thwarted by seven of nine. Once he was caught he was convicted of crimes he was yet to commit. laugh.gif

That episode just played Sunday evening on UPN following a replay of Azati Prime.
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post Mar 8 2004, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (duffbeer77 @ Mar 5 2004, 08:51 PM)
Cool theory. But wasn't Rasmussen more of a con man, hustler type than a "I want to take over the Galaxy" type. unsure.gif

Yes both you and evloner are correct. He is a con man, a very good one and he was all about personal gain. But this guy is much more sinister than meets the eye.

If you recall he murdered the 26th century time travel historian, if that was what he really was. I have my doubts now that I see what is going on in the 26th century. Rasmussen crossed the line when he took someone's life for his personal gain.

Another thing, Rasmussen's IQ has to be somewhere in the stratosphere. A 22nd century struggling inventor figures out how to work and program a 26th century time ship in a few weeks. He is dancing on the fine line between genius and insanity. I think he is mentally unstable.

However he gained the knowledge he knew exactly what coordinates and exactly when to jump ahead 200 years to the 24th century to intercept Picard and the Enterprise-D. If he had that information at his disposal then he had information on the Enterprise NX01 which is from his own time period. I believe that the historian was in reality a temporal agent like Daniels but not from Daniel's time period but from the time period that is at war with the trans dimensional aliens (26th century). I think his mission was to go back and contact Archer but he tragically met Rasmussen instead and the rest is history, as it were.

I think when Picard refused to let him board the time ship and stranded him in the 24th century, he snapped. Think about it, Picard and crew was his first encounter with the Federation which does not exist in his time period. He was taken to a star base to be interrogated and probably put in jail. He would definitely be grilled by the temporal police who do exist in the 24th century. They investigated Janeway on more than one occasion including the one evloner pointed out who went over the deep end in VOY. These temporal police investigated Sisco also on his adventure in DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations".

Boy, can I ramble or what? My point being is Rasmussen is a wild card, loose cannon. He has knowledge of where things are, when events will happen and their outcome. He knows how the time ship works and what materials are needed to put a temporal device together. He is pi$$ed at Picard and being his first encounter with the Federation probably doesn't have much love for the Federation. All I am saying is he is unstable.

Rick Berman is the stabilizer. He was a major factor of TNG, DS9 and VOY and knows exactly what has transpired in each of them because he helped shape all of them. I'm just speculating that TNG episode "A Matter Of Time" inspired his decision to base ENT on a temporal theme and because of that I believe he will bring Rasmussen into the mix at some point. I feel that Matt Frewer would jump at the chance to revive that character.

No matter whether Rasmussen comes into play or not, the timeline has and is being tampered with. The TDAs are tampering with it. FG with the Suliban are tampering with it. Daniels is trying to detect these tamperings and correct them which is tampering in itself. It's no wonder that there are continuity issues up and down the timeline. I'm surprised they haven't caused a major temporal paradox that would shatter the fabric of time space itself.

Okay, my head hurts too much now to continue. Hope I haven't got things too confused.


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post Mar 8 2004, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (XPRIZEMAN @ Mar 8 2004, 10:55 AM)
That episode just played Sunday evening on UPN following a replay of Azati Prime.

Same here, except it was the next day due to TNG episodes air on Spike TV at the same time ENT airs on UPN. It was played at 8/7c Thursday the day after "Azati Prime" aired on Wednesday.


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