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 Temporal Integrity Commission

Excalibur
post May 10 2004, 02:31 AM
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We have, in the past, talked about Daniels, and wondered who exactly he works for. We know he doesn't work for Starfleet, or so he has said, so who does he work for?

Several of us have thrown a few different names out there, never really knowing what the true name might be.

I happened to catch part of a Voyager episode today titled "Future's End (part 2)" in which Voyager had been sent back to the year 1996.

At the end of the episode, after Voyager had fixed the timeline, insuring that Henry Starling wouldn't destroy the future, Captian Braxton comes back from the 29th century to remove Voyager from the 20th century and take it back to our future, Voyager's present, and Braxton's past. wacko.gif

He informs Voyager that it was the Temporal Integrity Commission that discovered them in the past where they didn't belong.

Well, now we have a name. It remains to be seen, however, if the writers will use the same name, or if they will ever disclose the name at all.


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post May 10 2004, 05:38 AM
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Even before VOY's "Future's End, part II", there was mention of the Federation Department of Temporal Investigations in DS9's "Trial and Tribble-ations" earlier that same year.

It's very well possible that Temporal Investigations and TIC are separate organizations that handle different types of missions. Temporal Investigations may be the department that actually looks into possible changes or threats to the timeline, while TIC may the department that handles going back in time and preventing or correcting those changes in history.

I think that TIC recruits specially-trained Starfleet crews to man their timeships--they do the actually field work and get their hands dirty...

The big question, though, is who does Daniels really work for?






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post May 10 2004, 02:49 PM
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I think Temporal Investigations is the precursor to the Temporal Integrity Commission.

Temporal Investigations is in the here and now, making sure that Starfleet crews who stumble into a temporal incursion, haven't done anything to mess up the timeline.

The Temporal Integrity Commission is in, at least, the 29th and 31st centuries. Their job is to scan the timeline with temporal sensors, and when they find something out of place according to the recorded history of the timeline, they do there best to fix it with as little damage to the timeline as possible.


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post May 10 2004, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 10 2004, 01:49 PM)
I think Temporal Investigations is the precursor to the Temporal Integrity Commission.

Temporal Investigations is in the here and now, making sure that Starfleet crews who stumble into a temporal incursion, haven't done anything to mess up the timeline.


I was thinking along the same lines myself, but I wasn't going to dismiss the possibility that Temporal Investigations was still around by the time the TIC was. If we can have both Starfleet Security and Starfleet Tactical exist at the same time in the 24th-Century...

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The Temporal Integrity Commission is in, at least, the 29th and 31st centuries.


There's no real evidence to suggest that Temporal Investigations and/or TIC is still around by the 31st-Century. We still don't know exactly who Daniels works for. If he was with the TIC--he surely would have identified himself as such since he's told Archer pretty much everything else about the distant future.

Additionally, the TIC--as shown in VOY--is far more blunt and direct in its methods than Daniels is. Captain Braxton, while in command of both the Aeon--and later the Relativity--came swooping in aboard timeships and clearly announced who he was and who he was working for. Daniels' methods seem substantially more non-TIC in approach and more akin to Section 31...

It's not too infeasible to believe that the entire Temporal Cold War may have been a result of the TIC not being around to prevent it. Maybe the TIC was folded into Section 31 and later disbanded, who knows? I tend to think that the TIC would have nipped this TCW at the very beginning. IMO, the current writers and producers of ENT are going about it as if the TIC no longer exists in Daniels' era...





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post May 10 2004, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 10 2004, 07:31 PM)
QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 10 2004, 01:49 PM)
I think Temporal Investigations is the precursor to the Temporal Integrity Commission.

Temporal Investigations is in the here and now, making sure that Starfleet crews who stumble into a temporal incursion, haven't done anything to mess up the timeline.


I was thinking along the same lines myself, but I wasn't going to dismiss the possibility that Temporal Investigations was still around by the time the TIC was. If we can have both Starfleet Security and Starfleet Tactical exist at the same time in the 24th-Century...

It wasn't my thought either that the two couldn't co-exist.

I am just saying that temporal investigations was around centuries before the temporal integrity commission.


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post May 10 2004, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 10 2004, 07:45 PM)
QUOTE (Darth Ravage @ May 10 2004, 07:31 PM)
QUOTE (Excalibur @ May 10 2004, 01:49 PM)
I think Temporal Investigations is the precursor to the Temporal Integrity Commission.

Temporal Investigations is in the here and now, making sure that Starfleet crews who stumble into a temporal incursion, haven't done anything to mess up the timeline.


I was thinking along the same lines myself, but I wasn't going to dismiss the possibility that Temporal Investigations was still around by the time the TIC was. If we can have both Starfleet Security and Starfleet Tactical exist at the same time in the 24th-Century...

It wasn't my thought either that the two couldn't co-exist.

I am just saying that temporal investigations was around centuries before the temporal integrity commission.

Oh, that goes without saying...

If I understand correctly, the Federation timeships operate under the authority of the TIC with Starfleet crews acting as their hired muscle...

The USS Relativity had the hull registry of NCV-474439-G, which places it as the eighth vessel to bear the name. If we use the ratio of lost ships used by the Enterprise, the very first timeships could have been developed around the 26th-Century (if not the 25th-Century, really)...







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post May 11 2004, 12:23 PM
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I say Daniels is part of section-31. Section-31 intrigues me, I think section-31 is much more involved in everything than anyone can imagine.

As far as the TCW goes, we don't even have a clue as to what it really is. We can speculate and guess but we have to get more info and insights before having a grasp on what is really going on. I can't wait for them to get into this and heat it up.

These temporal organizations, very interesting. The Temporal Integrity Commission sounds like a government appointed committee to seek out and recommend actions and corrections to be made due to temporal incursions. The Federation Department of Temporal Investigations sounds like a branch of the Federation that actually acts on the investigations conducted by their agents, much like the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) does now.


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post May 11 2004, 01:33 PM
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Maybe it all falls under the "Homeworlds Security" department. laugh.gif


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